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Strategies for Managing post-awakening "blues" (KW webcast)

Posted on Jan 14th, 2007 by Durwin : Radical dad Durwin
Just came off a tremendous KW webcast on Integral spiritual center, the first since Ken's return from harrowing health crisis; he was in fine spirits, and such clarity of expression (lisp and all!)...seek to make some sense here of this influx from the philosopher-sage...

Some great new material elaborating a dual self-sense center of gravity, oriented towards both states and stages (with these variables functioning relatively independently) was discussed, that will be forthcoming when the new transformations of consciousness is released

he also discussed distinctions between relative and absolute boddhichitta, boddhicitta meaning "enlightened mind".  Enlightenment traditions such as Mahayana have historically emphasized the development of relative boddhicitta (e.g. via tonglen), before allowing individuals to have access to absolute teachings (e.g. dzogchen, pointing-out-instructions for ever-present suchness)

part of the debate on this centered around  the observation that  motivation often falls away when individuals have satori -type experiences;  immersed in lived experience of Great Perfection, the feeling of needing to do anything in particular recedes, often dramatically; thus, the importance of having previously trained one's relative boddhicitta, such that post-awakening one serves others, rather than just sitting on a park bench for the rest of one's days...

in terms of possible pathologies, the forthcoming transformations of consciousness work will complement previously described stage-based pathologies, with innovative new material on state pathologies, which are problems that occur at the points where disidentification is required when moving from state to state (gross-waking to subtle-dreaming to causal-formless to nondual).  Ken termed these "switch-points" alpha, theta, delta and gamma. 

My intuition and hope is that understanding these switch-point issues will aid in the amelioration of psychopathologies such as anxiety and depression

but back to post-awakening "blues" -- perhaps we can think about post-awakening blues in light of a "switch-point" issue occuring between subtle and causal.  Abiding in formless Emptiness, there is no motivation (nothing is moving, after all).  But as one "switches" into the subtle, form arises, which is evolving and therefore is subject to the drives of Eros/Agape.

A switch-point problem could occur here, perhaps, where the relative boddhicitta-fueled motivation does not kick in sufficiently on the descending arc (can think of this in terms of microcosmic orbit in the body, as well, perhaps, not just through the changing states of the day)

leaving a person with a bad case of post-awakening "blues"...

that's the pathology -- what's the therapy?  well, perhaps look to the traditions, no?  not only can we do tonglen (compassion-practice) before awakening, but we can practice it post-awakening.  Also, gratefulness practice, or many of the positive psychology practices I blogged about recently could also be helpful.









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katherine : oneheart
1 day later
katherine said

Thanks for the low down on the webcast. I've been watching Genpo Roshi's Big Mind DVDs that we got for Christmas. He describes his post-awakening blues as a falling from grace. He said that the way through the blues for him was in making a conscious decision and he stressed conscious, to embrace his suffering and therefore integrate the relative and absolute.  He said that Chogyam Trungpa said something to the effect of: if we had thought it was possible to fall from grace we would have padded the landing. This is my understanding of why an ILP is so helpful, and of course, why the Mahayana precedes the nondual teachings.
Interestingly, Genpo Roshi also said, that when he was in what he calls the third stage–enlightenment, nondual stage, his students loved his teachings but his teacher was disgusted. Now, having seen it from both sides, Genpo Roshi agrees with his teacher.

Durwin : Radical dad
4 days later
Durwin said

Thanks, Katherine – that's really cool info about Genpo.  Would enjoy watching those DVDs sometime too (is your partner on board with watching them, by the way?)
The integral framework gives us the most comprehensive (at this point) way of embracing the relative and thus of embracing our suffering. 

I really enjoyed meeting with you in person, and look forward to another context/time when that can happen again!

katherine : oneheart
15 days later
katherine said

He says he's really on board, and it was him that really wanted them for Christmas but so far he hasn't done it. He doesn't want to lend them out until he watches them, so if he gets around to watching them, I'll lend them to you.

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